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Kathy Sheehan

stated on November 16, 2017 in an interview on Tucker Carlson Tonight:

"Simply being in this country without documentation is not a crime"

By Dan Clark December 2, 2017

Is living as an undocumented immigrant in the U.S. a crime?

Albany Mayor Kathy M. Sheehan said in a national television interview that it’s not a crime for immigrants to live in the U.S. without documentation.

Sheehan, a Democrat, was defending her city’s status as a so-called "sanctuary city" to Fox News host Tucker Carlson. The city's law enforcement officials do not report undocumented immigrants to federal authorities unless they commit a serious crime.

"Simply being in this country without documentation is not a crime," Sheehan said. "The U.S. Supreme Court has said that."

Carlson was left baffled.

"You just said that being here illegally is not illegal? I’m not aware of that Supreme Court decision," Carlson said. "How is that true?"

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Sheehan cited a court ruling.

"In Arizona v. the United States, the Supreme Court said simply being here undocumented is not a crime," she said. "There are civil violations and then there are criminal violations."

So, who’s right? Sheehan or Carlson?

What’s Sheehan talking about?

The Supreme Court case Sheehan cited involved a 2010 challenge to an Arizona immigration law from the Obama administration.

The law required that immigrants carry documents proving their status in Arizona. Police were also instructed to stop and seek documents from anyone they suspected of being undocumented. Those without documents faced a state criminal charge.

The Obama administration contended Arizona could not create a state level criminal charge for the violation because it’s already regulated by Congress.

The Supreme Court agreed with the Obama administration and struck down that section of the Arizona law, among other parts.

Civil or criminal

Experts supported Sheehan’s claim by pointing out how the U.S. legal system works.

People who break the law in the U.S. have committed either a criminal or civil violation depending on how the law defines it and how prosecutors choose to proceed.

Being in the U.S. without documentation is considered a civil matter, said Nancy Morawetz, professor of clinical law at New York University School of Law.

"Being present in the U.S., that status, is not a crime," Morawetz said.

That doesn’t mean undocumented immigrants can live in the U.S. without consequence, said Rick Su, a professor at the University at Buffalo School of Law. Federal authorities can deport them.

A criminal violation comes with a punishment, like time in prison. Civil cases come with penalties instead. Deportation is considered a penalty under federal law, not a punishment.

"Congress can decide what they want to make a crime and what they want to make a civil violation," Su said. "What they’ve decided is that immigration violations by themselves are civil violations."

The Supreme Court confirmed that decision in Arizona v. United States.

Bill de Blasio

stated on June 23, 2016 in a press conference at New York City Hall.

Says "220,000 New Yorkers would have immediately benefitted had President Obama’s executive action been affirmed. So almost a quarter million of our fellow New Yorkers who are hurting right now whose rights and opportunities were taken away by the Supreme Court."

"What the Supreme Court said in Arizona v. U.S. is that generally being unlawfully present in the U.S. is not a crime, and that’s definitely true," Su said. "What the court did, is say Congress had made these civil violations and Arizona is trying to make them criminal violations."

Why a civil matter?

It’s easier to deport undocumented immigrants through civil proceedings, Su said.

In deportation proceedings, immigrants face a special immigrant judge. The government does not have to provide a public attorney to immigrants who cannot afford one in these cases.

The burden is then entirely on the immigrant to show they are in the country lawfully. They are also not entitled to any kind of due process.

There are some immigration laws that can land an immigrant in criminal court. Entering the U.S. illegally is a crime, for example, but staying after a temporary visa has expired is a civil violation. As much as two-thirds of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. entered legally with a visa, according to the Center for Migration Studies.

Our ruling

Sheehan said "simply being in this country without documentation is not a crime."

It may be semantics, but Sheehan is right. Living in the U.S. without documentation is a civil violation, not a crime.

PolitiFact Florida rated a similar claim Mostly True earlier this year. As its fact check noted, however, those in the U.S. without documentation may have committed a crime by entering the country illegally.

Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that generally opposes loosening immigration laws, told PolitiFact Florida that "it's easy for such individuals to run into separate criminal problems even beyond their method of entry, such as filling out an employment eligibility form to get a job when they aren’t eligible to work."

But their illegal presence is not a crime.

Sheehan's statement is accurate but needs clarification or additional information. We rate it Mostly True.

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