Fact-checking Joe Biden’s claim about $15 minimum wage and poverty

President Joe Biden’s proposal for a $15-an-hour minimum wage as part of his $1.9 trillion American Rescue Plan may not survive amid resistance in Congress, but Biden sees his campaign promise as a key path out of poverty.

"No one should work 40 hours a week and live below the poverty wage," he told CBS’ Norah O’Donnell in an interview that aired Super Bowl weekend. "And if you're making less than $15 an hour, you're living below the poverty wage."

We found that whether a person earning below $15 an hour is living in poverty depends upon various factors, including the size of their household and the cost of living in their jurisdiction.

Since 2009, the federal minimum wage has been $7.25 an hour, though 29 states and Washington D.C. have higher minimum wages, as do some cities and counties. 

Among the general public, the $15 minimum wage is popular, although business groups and their allies among lawmakers argue that they would cause job losses. Economists who study wage hikes debate the impact on employment or the economy. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded in February that raising the federal minimum wage in annual increments to $15 per hour by June 2025 would reduce employment by 1.4 million workers but also reduce the number of people in poverty by 900,000.

Measured in inflation-adjusted dollars, the current minimum wage is lower than it was from the mid-1950s to late 1980s, and in many years since then.

Since Biden didn’t explain during the interview whether he was referring to full-time workers of a certain household size, we asked his spokesperson to clarify what he meant. T.J. Ducklo pointed to the federal government’s poverty guidelines that show a family of four earning $26,500 as living in poverty. Based on a calculation of 2,000 hours at a full-time hourly job, that means the wage earner in a family of four earning up to $13 an hour is living in poverty. If the same worker earned $15 an hour, the family would earn $30,000 a year, placing them over the poverty line.

Experts on wages didn’t dispute Biden’s math, but said his comment doesn’t fully reflect the factors that determine if someone lives in poverty. One key factor is varying housing costs depending on geographic location. 

Shawn Fremstad, a senior fellow at the Center for Economic and Policy Research, said the federal poverty guidelines are updated based on inflation, but are otherwise outdated and based on an understanding developed decades ago of the amount of income needed to live out of poverty. 

"The antiquated HHS poverty standard used by the White House includes ZERO allowance for child care, health insurance, prepared foods, meals away from home, modern transportation, and other goods and services that weren’t thought of as necessities in the late 1950s and early 1960s, when a full-time housewife was assumed and mainstream living standards were very different," Fremstad said. 

Experts said that wages alone may not shed light on whether a household lives in poverty.

For example, a family with two full-time workers each earning $13 an hour would be above the poverty-level, but if they need child care for two children, it would wipe out more than half their income, said Elizabeth Pancotti, policy adviser at Employ America, a group that supports a $15 minimum wage.

"As a result, it’s likely unrealistic to think that all families of four earning minimum wage-level earnings could have both adults work," she said. "I think it’s reasonable for the White House to base their analysis on one income for a household of four." 

David Neumark, a professor of economics at the University of California-Irvine, who has found negative impacts on jobs from wage hikes, said the minimum wage is a "crude tool to target poverty" because it targets low wages, not low family income.

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"A worker gets the higher minimum wage whether she is a single mother (who needs help!), the spouse of someone who makes $1 million a year, or the teenage daughter of that same person," he said.

The calculation by Biden also ignores other government programs, most notably the earned income tax credit, which provides a subsidy to low-wage workers. A family earning low wages may also get food stamps, subsidized housing or Medicaid.

Biden said, "If you're making less than $15 an hour, you're living below the poverty wage."

A spokesman for Biden said he was referring to a family of four with one full-time income using the federal government’s poverty guideline, an explanation Biden didn’t include in the interview. Using that measurement, that family with a paycheck of $13 an hour would live below the poverty line. At $15 an hour, the same family would clearly be above the poverty line. So Biden was off by about a dollar, using the existing standards.

But experts said wages alone don’t tell the full story about whether a household lives in poverty. Other factors include child care and housing costs, for example, which can vary by geography. Generalizing a "poverty wage" to a specific number ignores the different circumstances that families face. Other experts said the federal definition of a poverty level is out of date and needs changing.

We rate this claim Half True. 

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